1 00:00:00,167 --> 00:00:04,671 - This is for white paper, this is for colored paper, 2 00:00:04,671 --> 00:00:07,591 this is for newspaper, this is for shiny paper. 3 00:00:07,591 --> 00:00:09,760 - Benny, try not to spend the whole day on this. 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,136 You know what I mean? 5 00:00:11,136 --> 00:00:12,221 - OK. 6 00:00:12,221 --> 00:00:13,472 - Where's my buddy? 7 00:00:13,472 --> 00:00:14,765 Hey, Ben. 8 00:00:14,765 --> 00:00:16,099 - Dominic? 9 00:00:16,099 --> 00:00:16,975 - There he is. 10 00:00:16,975 --> 00:00:18,268 How's it going, chief? 11 00:00:18,268 --> 00:00:19,102 - Dominic, hi. 12 00:00:19,102 --> 00:00:19,937 - Put out your hand. 13 00:00:19,937 --> 00:00:20,771 - How come? 14 00:00:20,771 --> 00:00:21,772 - Put out your hand. 15 00:00:21,772 --> 00:00:23,607 I got something for you. 16 00:00:23,607 --> 00:00:25,275 Ha ha. 17 00:00:25,275 --> 00:00:27,569 I wheeled an exact in the eighth race at a 25 to 1 shot. 18 00:00:27,569 --> 00:00:29,071 Bingo. 19 00:00:29,071 --> 00:00:31,073 He has no idea what I'm talking about. 20 00:00:31,073 --> 00:00:33,200 We had a very big day today, Ben. 21 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,619 There's three large right in the palm of your hand. 22 00:00:35,619 --> 00:00:37,371 - Oh thanks. 23 00:00:37,371 --> 00:00:38,830 This is my friend Dominic. 24 00:00:38,830 --> 00:00:40,540 - Don't dribble on your shirt. 25 00:00:40,540 --> 00:00:41,875 - How do you do? - Fine. 26 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:43,293 Thank you. Nice to make your acquaintance. 27 00:00:43,293 --> 00:00:44,836 Very beautiful offices you have here. 28 00:00:44,836 --> 00:00:45,712 Very nice. 29 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:46,922 Very centrally located. 30 00:00:46,922 --> 00:00:48,423 - Where do you know Benny from? 31 00:00:48,423 --> 00:00:50,217 - Oh, we sit at the counter at Du-par's and have 32 00:00:50,217 --> 00:00:51,510 supper every night. 33 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:52,803 - Are we still doing the thing? 34 00:00:52,803 --> 00:00:54,137 - What thing? 35 00:00:54,137 --> 00:00:55,597 - The place you said we were going. 36 00:00:55,597 --> 00:00:57,432 - Yeah, if I said we're going, we're going. 37 00:00:57,432 --> 00:00:58,392 - Going where? 38 00:00:58,392 --> 00:00:59,518 - It's a secret. 39 00:00:59,518 --> 00:01:00,394 - Oh this guy. 40 00:01:00,394 --> 00:01:01,478 Everything's a big game. 41 00:01:01,478 --> 00:01:03,730 It's no big deal, Benny. 42 00:01:03,730 --> 00:01:05,482 - Well, it is to me. 43 00:01:05,482 --> 00:01:07,317 - Don't get all emotional on me, all right? 44 00:01:07,317 --> 00:01:08,777 - Sorry. 45 00:01:08,777 --> 00:01:10,320 - OK, now there's a two-year-old running today 46 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:12,322 that looks very good to me. 47 00:01:12,322 --> 00:01:14,241 OK, Darryl Vienna's the trainer. 48 00:01:14,241 --> 00:01:15,576 McCarron's up. 49 00:01:15,576 --> 00:01:17,244 I intend to show this horse some support 50 00:01:17,244 --> 00:01:18,829 by going out to the track and betting next month's rent. 51 00:01:18,829 --> 00:01:19,871 Who's coming along? 52 00:01:19,871 --> 00:01:21,373 - We have work to do, Dominic. 53 00:01:21,373 --> 00:01:22,874 - Well, are you sure it's nothing that can wait? 54 00:01:22,874 --> 00:01:23,875 - Thanks anyway. 55 00:01:23,875 --> 00:01:24,751 I don't think so. 56 00:01:24,751 --> 00:01:25,919 - How about you, dear? 57 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:27,504 You interested in dating a jockey? 58 00:01:27,504 --> 00:01:28,714 - Excuse me? - All right. 59 00:01:28,714 --> 00:01:30,007 Never mind. Listen, Benny. 60 00:01:30,007 --> 00:01:32,175 Don't spend it all on comic books, huh? 61 00:01:32,175 --> 00:01:34,219 I'll see you for supper same time, same station? 62 00:01:34,219 --> 00:01:35,220 Nice meeting you's. 63 00:01:35,220 --> 00:01:36,054 Yeah. 64 00:01:39,433 --> 00:01:43,020 [music playing] 65 00:03:38,844 --> 00:03:39,678 - All right, folks. 66 00:03:39,678 --> 00:03:40,637 Busy day today. 67 00:03:40,637 --> 00:03:41,805 Let's get on with it. 68 00:03:41,805 --> 00:03:42,973 The Craig estate. 69 00:03:42,973 --> 00:03:44,474 - I'll handle that myself, Douglas. 70 00:03:44,474 --> 00:03:45,767 - I'm available if you need me. 71 00:03:45,767 --> 00:03:47,394 - Well, thank you. 72 00:03:47,394 --> 00:03:49,771 - Given the length of time that I've known the family, 73 00:03:49,771 --> 00:03:51,898 I think Vivian would be more comfortable if she 74 00:03:51,898 --> 00:03:53,108 had to deal only with me. 75 00:03:53,108 --> 00:03:54,651 - Moving on. 76 00:03:54,651 --> 00:03:56,403 McAllister versus the United States Postal Service. 77 00:03:56,403 --> 00:03:58,321 - Brian McAllister's wife was shot and killed 78 00:03:58,321 --> 00:04:00,115 by a deranged co-worker. 79 00:04:00,115 --> 00:04:01,450 - What's the cause of action? 80 00:04:01,450 --> 00:04:03,034 - Wrongful death. 81 00:04:03,034 --> 00:04:04,494 - If the co-worker's deranged, how do you get liability 82 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:06,037 on the part of the post office? 83 00:04:06,037 --> 00:04:07,914 - Negligent supervision together with a particularly 84 00:04:07,914 --> 00:04:09,583 high-stress work environment. 85 00:04:09,583 --> 00:04:10,625 - Excuse me. 86 00:04:10,625 --> 00:04:12,169 The post office is high stress? 87 00:04:12,169 --> 00:04:13,587 - The way it's run now, it is. 88 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:15,714 - Hey, delivering the mail is not high stress. 89 00:04:15,714 --> 00:04:17,340 This is high stress. 90 00:04:17,340 --> 00:04:19,384 What we do is high stress. 91 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:21,011 - And I think that at least a few of us 92 00:04:21,011 --> 00:04:22,888 here are probably deranged as a result of it. 93 00:04:22,888 --> 00:04:25,182 - Melina, wasn't this matter supposed to be settled? 94 00:04:25,182 --> 00:04:27,434 - It's not for want of trying that it isn't, Douglas. 95 00:04:27,434 --> 00:04:29,352 - Unfortunately, what that means for us is that you're going 96 00:04:29,352 --> 00:04:30,854 to be consumed with a trial. 97 00:04:30,854 --> 00:04:32,397 - You're worried about Southern Pacific Savings. 98 00:04:32,397 --> 00:04:33,607 - You're right. - What's the problem? 99 00:04:33,607 --> 00:04:35,150 - The problem is we've been called in 100 00:04:35,150 --> 00:04:37,194 by their general counsel to perfect an appeal 101 00:04:37,194 --> 00:04:38,778 and the clock is ticking. 102 00:04:38,778 --> 00:04:39,905 - What's the lawsuit about? 103 00:04:39,905 --> 00:04:41,490 - Discriminatory lending practices. 104 00:04:41,490 --> 00:04:43,241 - We're representing the bank? - Yes. 105 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:44,951 We're representing the bank. 106 00:04:44,951 --> 00:04:46,495 And my hope is that we represent the bank well enough that we 107 00:04:46,495 --> 00:04:47,746 get to represent other banks. 108 00:04:47,746 --> 00:04:49,122 - All right, Douglas. Calm down. 109 00:04:49,122 --> 00:04:50,749 - All I know is you better get some help. 110 00:04:50,749 --> 00:04:51,583 - I will, Douglas. 111 00:04:51,583 --> 00:04:52,334 I will. 112 00:04:52,334 --> 00:04:53,627 - I'm available. 113 00:04:53,627 --> 00:04:55,253 - Melina, this is a complicated case. 114 00:04:55,253 --> 00:04:56,087 Get some help. 115 00:05:06,473 --> 00:05:07,516 - Jonathan. 116 00:05:07,516 --> 00:05:08,308 I'm sorry. 117 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:09,392 I don't have it yet. 118 00:05:09,392 --> 00:05:10,977 - What? 119 00:05:10,977 --> 00:05:12,687 - That law review article you asked me to bring in. 120 00:05:12,687 --> 00:05:14,564 Between the trial, and the appeal, 121 00:05:14,564 --> 00:05:16,149 and all the rest of what's on my desk, 122 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:17,567 I just didn't have time to look for it. 123 00:05:17,567 --> 00:05:19,152 I'm sorry. - Don't worry about it. 124 00:05:19,152 --> 00:05:19,861 - Because I have to go digging through this whole bunch 125 00:05:19,861 --> 00:05:21,446 of boxes. 126 00:05:21,446 --> 00:05:22,697 And I didn't have a spare moment in which to do it. 127 00:05:22,697 --> 00:05:24,074 - Melina, it's OK. 128 00:05:24,074 --> 00:05:25,450 - I feel badly, Jonathan. 129 00:05:25,450 --> 00:05:26,910 I promised I would help you with your brief 130 00:05:26,910 --> 00:05:27,911 and I haven't done it. 131 00:05:27,911 --> 00:05:28,995 - You're busy. 132 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:30,038 - Yes. 133 00:05:30,038 --> 00:05:32,541 - You need to lighten your load. 134 00:05:32,541 --> 00:05:33,959 - How do I do that? 135 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:36,419 - Just do it any way you can. 136 00:05:40,924 --> 00:05:43,051 - Benny, we'd like you to tell us a little bit more 137 00:05:43,051 --> 00:05:44,719 about this friend of yours. 138 00:05:44,719 --> 00:05:45,929 - What do you want to know? 139 00:05:45,929 --> 00:05:47,389 - For starters, we'd like to know why 140 00:05:47,389 --> 00:05:50,141 it was that he gave you $3,000. 141 00:05:50,141 --> 00:05:51,393 - The horse he bet on won. 142 00:05:51,393 --> 00:05:54,312 - But why did he give you money? 143 00:05:54,312 --> 00:05:56,731 - He always gives me money when the horse wins. 144 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:59,693 I give him money to bet with, and he gives 145 00:05:59,693 --> 00:06:01,403 me money if the horse wins. 146 00:06:01,403 --> 00:06:04,698 And sometimes, I think even if the horse comes in second, 147 00:06:04,698 --> 00:06:05,866 he can still win. 148 00:06:05,866 --> 00:06:07,200 - You give him money to bet with. 149 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:08,285 - Yeah. 150 00:06:08,285 --> 00:06:09,995 - How much money do you give him? 151 00:06:09,995 --> 00:06:13,248 - Oh, that depends on how much money he needs to bet with. 152 00:06:13,248 --> 00:06:15,000 Sometimes, he doesn't bet anything. 153 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,128 And other times, he says, you got to bring down the hammer. 154 00:06:18,128 --> 00:06:20,380 That's what he calls it. 155 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:23,633 And I give him $100, $200. 156 00:06:23,633 --> 00:06:25,677 One time, I gave him $500. 157 00:06:25,677 --> 00:06:28,430 - Benny, you have to stop doing that. 158 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:29,639 - Well, why? - Why? 159 00:06:29,639 --> 00:06:31,057 Because you work hard for your money. 160 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:32,434 You don't have that much of it. 161 00:06:32,434 --> 00:06:34,269 And you shouldn't be giving it to some guy 162 00:06:34,269 --> 00:06:35,395 to blow at the track. 163 00:06:35,395 --> 00:06:36,396 - But he didn't blow it. 164 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:37,522 He won. 165 00:06:37,522 --> 00:06:39,524 The other night, I gave him $200. 166 00:06:39,524 --> 00:06:41,985 And yesterday, he gave me $3,000. 167 00:06:41,985 --> 00:06:43,028 - That's yesterday. 168 00:06:43,028 --> 00:06:44,779 What's he going to do tomorrow? 169 00:06:44,779 --> 00:06:46,156 - I don't know. 170 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:47,699 The paper that has all the different horses 171 00:06:47,699 --> 00:06:49,451 that are running comes out in the morning. 172 00:06:49,451 --> 00:06:51,077 - Benny, the point is that he shouldn't 173 00:06:51,077 --> 00:06:52,329 be doing this with your money. 174 00:06:52,329 --> 00:06:53,872 He should be doing it with his money. 175 00:06:53,872 --> 00:06:55,248 - But he doesn't have any money. 176 00:06:55,248 --> 00:06:56,583 - Then he shouldn't be gambling. 177 00:06:56,583 --> 00:06:57,917 He should be working. 178 00:06:57,917 --> 00:06:59,586 - Well, he says that gambling is working. 179 00:06:59,586 --> 00:07:02,047 He says, some people go to the office to work 180 00:07:02,047 --> 00:07:03,923 and other people go to the track. 181 00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:06,676 - Benny, this guy is taking advantage of you. 182 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:07,469 - It's OK, guys. 183 00:07:07,469 --> 00:07:08,511 Really. 184 00:07:08,511 --> 00:07:10,055 I don't mind giving him money. 185 00:07:10,055 --> 00:07:11,014 He's my friend. 186 00:07:16,770 --> 00:07:19,064 - The fact that Nathaniel didn't leave a will 187 00:07:19,064 --> 00:07:21,191 means the estate goes to you, Vivian. 188 00:07:21,191 --> 00:07:22,525 - Which is as it should be, mom. 189 00:07:22,525 --> 00:07:24,194 You do with it whatever you see fit. 190 00:07:24,194 --> 00:07:25,362 - Well, Leland, tell me this. 191 00:07:25,362 --> 00:07:27,238 Are we all right as far as taxes go? 192 00:07:27,238 --> 00:07:28,615 - Yes. 193 00:07:28,615 --> 00:07:30,116 We can pay whatever is owed out of savings. 194 00:07:30,116 --> 00:07:32,494 - I'll go on living in the house since we own that. 195 00:07:32,494 --> 00:07:34,204 And I'll keep whatever investments 196 00:07:34,204 --> 00:07:36,039 we've made through the years. 197 00:07:36,039 --> 00:07:38,917 There are a lot of other things I want you kids to have. 198 00:07:38,917 --> 00:07:41,586 And I'd like you to decide who gets what. 199 00:07:41,586 --> 00:07:43,171 - Mom, we want what you want. 200 00:07:43,171 --> 00:07:45,173 - Well, why don't you let her tell us what they are. 201 00:07:45,173 --> 00:07:46,591 - Well, Leland, you have the list. 202 00:07:46,591 --> 00:07:48,093 Why don't you go through it? 203 00:07:48,093 --> 00:07:48,968 - Yes. 204 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:51,054 There are golf clubs. 205 00:07:51,054 --> 00:07:53,348 - Frank. 206 00:07:53,348 --> 00:07:55,767 - Well, I don't want them. 207 00:07:55,767 --> 00:07:57,936 - I guess Dick could use an extra set. 208 00:07:57,936 --> 00:08:00,146 - There's a 1975 Cadillac. 209 00:08:00,146 --> 00:08:01,690 - Mom, why don't you keep that? 210 00:08:01,690 --> 00:08:03,692 - I don't need two cars, Judith. 211 00:08:03,692 --> 00:08:07,862 - Frank, you take it. 212 00:08:07,862 --> 00:08:08,905 - All right. 213 00:08:08,905 --> 00:08:10,532 - There's a stamp collection. 214 00:08:10,532 --> 00:08:12,617 I've taken the precaution of putting it in the vault. 215 00:08:12,617 --> 00:08:15,578 - Which, if no one wants it, I'd really love to have. 216 00:08:15,578 --> 00:08:16,663 - Well, I certainly don't. 217 00:08:16,663 --> 00:08:17,872 - Do we know what it's worth? 218 00:08:17,872 --> 00:08:19,624 - I have no idea. 219 00:08:19,624 --> 00:08:22,001 I just have the most incredibly vivid memories of dad shutting 220 00:08:22,001 --> 00:08:24,129 himself in his study with the door closed 221 00:08:24,129 --> 00:08:26,506 and the blinds drawn pouring over his stamps. 222 00:08:26,506 --> 00:08:28,800 - I'd like to get some idea of what it's worth, Judith. 223 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,593 - I can remember him telling us we couldn't 224 00:08:30,593 --> 00:08:32,220 even knock on his door as long as he 225 00:08:32,220 --> 00:08:33,638 was working on those stamps. 226 00:08:33,638 --> 00:08:35,390 - It would be nice for the kids. 227 00:08:35,390 --> 00:08:37,183 - Well, I hate to stand in the way 228 00:08:37,183 --> 00:08:40,145 but I'd like to find out what the stamp collection's worth. 229 00:08:40,145 --> 00:08:43,565 - What it's worth in dollars, or what it's worth in memories? 230 00:08:43,565 --> 00:08:45,275 - Dollars. 231 00:08:45,275 --> 00:08:46,943 - Are you saying that you could sell dad's stamp collection? 232 00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:48,862 - I'm up to my ears in debt, Judith. 233 00:08:48,862 --> 00:08:50,280 You're damn right I would sell it. 234 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:51,656 - Oh, kids. 235 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:52,991 This is just what I didn't want to happen. 236 00:08:52,991 --> 00:08:54,701 I don't want to see you fight about it. 237 00:08:54,701 --> 00:08:56,619 - May I suggest that the first thing we do 238 00:08:56,619 --> 00:08:58,246 is have the collection appraised? 239 00:08:58,246 --> 00:09:00,331 That way we'll know whether it's worth selling 240 00:09:00,331 --> 00:09:01,750 and what the tax situation is. 241 00:09:01,750 --> 00:09:04,294 - I don't want to sell that stamp collection. 242 00:09:04,294 --> 00:09:06,004 - It's nice to have money, isn't it, sis? 243 00:09:06,004 --> 00:09:07,839 - My husband and I work for a living, Frank. 244 00:09:07,839 --> 00:09:09,215 That's how you get to have money. 245 00:09:09,215 --> 00:09:10,383 - All right. All right. 246 00:09:10,383 --> 00:09:11,801 - The fact is that whether or not 247 00:09:11,801 --> 00:09:13,303 you're going to sell the collection, 248 00:09:13,303 --> 00:09:15,346 it has to be appraised for tax purposes. 249 00:09:15,346 --> 00:09:17,599 - If it has to be appraised, have it appraised. 250 00:09:17,599 --> 00:09:20,477 But you are not going to sell my father's stamp collection. 251 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:30,487 - We were married 7 and 1/2 years. 252 00:09:30,487 --> 00:09:32,030 - Any children? 253 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:34,491 - Alexis is two, Susan just turned four. 254 00:09:34,491 --> 00:09:36,743 - Did your wife work, Mr. McAllister? 255 00:09:36,743 --> 00:09:39,412 - She worked where I worked at the Northfield 256 00:09:39,412 --> 00:09:41,623 Postal Facility, regional distribution 257 00:09:41,623 --> 00:09:43,333 center number five. 258 00:09:43,333 --> 00:09:45,710 - And what were your jobs at the Northfield Postal Facility? 259 00:09:45,710 --> 00:09:47,170 - We sorted mail. 260 00:09:47,170 --> 00:09:49,422 - Did you know George Whelan? 261 00:09:49,422 --> 00:09:52,175 - Yeah, he also sorted mail. 262 00:09:52,175 --> 00:09:54,344 - Would you describe for us what it was like to work 263 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:55,970 at the Northfield facility? 264 00:09:55,970 --> 00:09:56,971 - What it was like? 265 00:09:59,516 --> 00:10:02,977 Well, they have a machine called an optical character reader. 266 00:10:02,977 --> 00:10:06,272 It spits out 30,000 letters an hour. 267 00:10:06,272 --> 00:10:09,859 There's a man with a stopwatch standing behind you timing 268 00:10:09,859 --> 00:10:12,904 to see how long it takes you to read an address 269 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:15,740 and punch in the first three digits of the zip code. 270 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:18,576 - And what, if anything, would the man with the stopwatch 271 00:10:18,576 --> 00:10:21,287 do if you weren't fast enough? 272 00:10:21,287 --> 00:10:23,122 - Write you up. 273 00:10:23,122 --> 00:10:25,333 If you move too slow, they write you up. 274 00:10:25,333 --> 00:10:27,210 If you take too many steps, they write you up. 275 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:29,337 If you hold an envelope at the wrong angle, 276 00:10:29,337 --> 00:10:31,756 if you're five minutes late for your lunch break, 277 00:10:31,756 --> 00:10:34,259 if you don't ask permission to go to the bathroom, anything, 278 00:10:34,259 --> 00:10:36,052 everything, they write you up. 279 00:10:36,052 --> 00:10:38,972 I once saw them write up a 60-year-old woman for showing 280 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:40,974 a picture of her grandchild. 281 00:10:40,974 --> 00:10:42,934 You have no idea what it's like in there. 282 00:10:42,934 --> 00:10:44,644 - Would you describe the event that 283 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:48,606 took place on April 15, 1991? 284 00:10:48,606 --> 00:10:49,858 - I was finishing my shift. 285 00:10:52,443 --> 00:10:54,237 And George Whelan walked out on the floor 286 00:10:54,237 --> 00:10:57,031 and asked me if I'd seen our postmaster, Mr. Daggett. 287 00:10:57,031 --> 00:10:58,408 I told him I hadn't. 288 00:10:58,408 --> 00:11:00,285 He turned around and walked toward the door. 289 00:11:02,787 --> 00:11:04,706 Next thing I knew, he had a gun in his hand. 290 00:11:04,706 --> 00:11:06,499 - Did you see him fire that gun? 291 00:11:06,499 --> 00:11:08,960 - Yes, I did. 292 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,671 When Mr. Daggett came out of his office, he fired at him. 293 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:16,009 - And what happened after he fired at him? 294 00:11:16,009 --> 00:11:17,093 - He got my wife instead. 295 00:11:19,971 --> 00:11:24,434 She just punched in and was walking out to the floor. 296 00:11:24,434 --> 00:11:26,060 She caught a bullet right in the head. 297 00:11:28,938 --> 00:11:30,356 She died in my arms. 298 00:11:32,817 --> 00:11:35,111 - Mr. McAllister, you hold that the Postal 299 00:11:35,111 --> 00:11:37,572 Service is responsible for your wife's death. 300 00:11:37,572 --> 00:11:39,198 I'd like you to explain to us why. 301 00:11:39,198 --> 00:11:40,658 - Because George Whelan never would 302 00:11:40,658 --> 00:11:42,452 have done what he did if the Postal Service 303 00:11:42,452 --> 00:11:44,037 hadn't driven him to do it. 304 00:11:44,037 --> 00:11:44,829 - Thank you. 305 00:11:44,829 --> 00:11:47,916 Nothing further. 306 00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:50,710 - Mr. McAllister, I'm very sorry about your wife. 307 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:54,172 But there are a few questions I have to ask you. 308 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:57,342 Did you observe anything unusual about George Whelan 309 00:11:57,342 --> 00:11:58,718 prior to the day of the shooting? 310 00:11:58,718 --> 00:12:00,970 - Did I? 311 00:12:00,970 --> 00:12:02,889 No, I didn't. I didn't know the man that well. 312 00:12:02,889 --> 00:12:04,098 - You worked together. 313 00:12:04,098 --> 00:12:05,391 Why didn't you know him that well? 314 00:12:05,391 --> 00:12:07,018 - There are 600 people working there. 315 00:12:07,018 --> 00:12:08,311 - That's right, Mr. McAllister. 316 00:12:08,311 --> 00:12:10,313 There are 600 people working there. 317 00:12:10,313 --> 00:12:11,940 Yet you maintain, do you not, that it 318 00:12:11,940 --> 00:12:13,983 was incumbent on the supervisory personnel 319 00:12:13,983 --> 00:12:17,028 at the facility to not only know this man but to know him 320 00:12:17,028 --> 00:12:19,155 well enough to predict what he would do. 321 00:12:19,155 --> 00:12:21,199 - They knew the pressure he was under. 322 00:12:21,199 --> 00:12:22,909 They knew the pressure we were all under. 323 00:12:22,909 --> 00:12:25,453 - But all of you didn't do what this man did. 324 00:12:25,453 --> 00:12:27,580 All of you didn't take a gun and start shooting. 325 00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:29,749 - No, but George Whelan's not the only postal worker 326 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:31,292 who has though, is he? 327 00:12:31,292 --> 00:12:33,461 - There are more than 700,000 employees in the United 328 00:12:33,461 --> 00:12:35,046 States Postal Service. 329 00:12:35,046 --> 00:12:37,256 What percentage of them do you suppose 330 00:12:37,256 --> 00:12:39,050 have behaved as Mr. Whelan has? - I have no idea. 331 00:12:39,050 --> 00:12:40,343 - Objection. 332 00:12:40,343 --> 00:12:41,511 The witness isn't qualified to answer. 333 00:12:41,511 --> 00:12:42,929 - That objection is sustained. 334 00:12:42,929 --> 00:12:45,014 - Hey, my wife wasn't supposed to get shot. 335 00:12:45,014 --> 00:12:47,058 My kids weren't supposed to lose their mother. 336 00:12:47,058 --> 00:12:48,935 - That's absolutely true, Mr. McAllister. 337 00:12:48,935 --> 00:12:50,520 The question is, who's to blame? 338 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:51,854 - Right. 339 00:12:51,854 --> 00:12:54,148 And according to you, no one's to blame. 340 00:12:54,148 --> 00:12:55,316 George Whelan's insane. 341 00:12:55,316 --> 00:12:56,651 So you can't blame him. 342 00:12:56,651 --> 00:12:58,152 The post office is too big and too busy. 343 00:12:58,152 --> 00:12:59,779 So you can't blame them. 344 00:12:59,779 --> 00:13:02,031 According to you, it just happened, right Mr. Spitzer? 345 00:13:02,031 --> 00:13:03,616 Because according to you, it's one 346 00:13:03,616 --> 00:13:05,868 of life's little oddball tragedies and it just happened. 347 00:13:05,868 --> 00:13:06,869 - Mr. McAllister. 348 00:13:06,869 --> 00:13:07,829 - You're wrong, Mr. Spitzer. 349 00:13:07,829 --> 00:13:08,663 Wrong. 350 00:13:08,663 --> 00:13:10,039 It didn't just happen. 351 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:12,542 George Whelan didn't just one day go insane. 352 00:13:12,542 --> 00:13:14,252 - Mr. McAllister. 353 00:13:14,252 --> 00:13:15,878 - Sons of bitches like the man at that table drove him insane. 354 00:13:15,878 --> 00:13:17,255 He's the one to blame. 355 00:13:17,255 --> 00:13:18,548 - Mr. McAllister-- 356 00:13:18,548 --> 00:13:19,507 - He didn't pull the trigger, but he's 357 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:20,550 the one who killed her. 358 00:13:28,725 --> 00:13:31,144 - These are the transcripts from the trial and the briefs 359 00:13:31,144 --> 00:13:32,562 that were submitted. 360 00:13:32,562 --> 00:13:35,148 Read them, digest them. 361 00:13:35,148 --> 00:13:36,566 We'll talk about them tomorrow. 362 00:13:36,566 --> 00:13:37,608 - OK. 363 00:13:37,608 --> 00:13:39,110 - Go ahead and use my office. 364 00:13:39,110 --> 00:13:40,903 Start culling through the cases that were cited. 365 00:13:40,903 --> 00:13:43,656 And if anything jumps out at you that you need an answer for, 366 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:46,617 call the general counsel's office at the bank. 367 00:13:46,617 --> 00:13:47,493 - I can call them? 368 00:13:47,493 --> 00:13:49,245 - By all means. 369 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:51,414 Because I am going to be buried under this trial for at least 370 00:13:51,414 --> 00:13:52,749 a week. 371 00:13:52,749 --> 00:13:53,916 No one here knows anything about the case. 372 00:13:53,916 --> 00:13:55,251 So if you need to know something, 373 00:13:55,251 --> 00:13:57,003 call the bank's lawyers. 374 00:13:57,003 --> 00:13:58,963 - I have to say I kind of hate the idea of working on the side 375 00:13:58,963 --> 00:14:00,173 of the bank in this case. 376 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:01,466 - Why is that? 377 00:14:01,466 --> 00:14:02,592 - Because I think they do discriminate 378 00:14:02,592 --> 00:14:04,510 in their lending policy. 379 00:14:04,510 --> 00:14:05,303 - Read the papers. 380 00:14:05,303 --> 00:14:06,471 - I will. 381 00:14:06,471 --> 00:14:07,680 - I think you'll find that the bank 382 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,348 was using very reasonable criteria 383 00:14:09,348 --> 00:14:10,892 in evaluating the credit risks. 384 00:14:10,892 --> 00:14:12,935 - Maybe it's just a matter of general principles. 385 00:14:12,935 --> 00:14:14,645 - That's usually not a good way to decide 386 00:14:14,645 --> 00:14:16,814 the merits of a specific case. 387 00:14:16,814 --> 00:14:18,066 - No, you're right. 388 00:14:18,066 --> 00:14:19,567 - I appreciate you doing this, Gwen. 389 00:14:19,567 --> 00:14:21,277 I'm really underwater right now. 390 00:14:25,698 --> 00:14:27,200 Tell us, Dr. Gerhart. 391 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,243 What is your field of expertise? 392 00:14:29,243 --> 00:14:33,372 - The psychological effects of stress in the workplace. 393 00:14:33,372 --> 00:14:35,750 - And have you spent much time at the Northfield 394 00:14:35,750 --> 00:14:36,709 Postal Facility? 395 00:14:36,709 --> 00:14:38,127 - Yes. I have. 396 00:14:38,127 --> 00:14:39,629 - Have you examined George Whelan? 397 00:14:39,629 --> 00:14:41,130 - Yes. 398 00:14:41,130 --> 00:14:42,632 - And what observations are you prepared to make? 399 00:14:42,632 --> 00:14:45,093 - That there was a direct link between conditions 400 00:14:45,093 --> 00:14:48,429 at the postal facility and Mr. Whalen's actions on the day 401 00:14:48,429 --> 00:14:50,681 he shot and killed Tina McAllister. 402 00:14:50,681 --> 00:14:54,560 - In your opinion, what was responsible for that link? 403 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,355 - The workers are governed by machines at the Postal Service. 404 00:14:57,355 --> 00:15:01,317 And whether we're talking about optical readers or stopwatches, 405 00:15:01,317 --> 00:15:03,653 management has made it abundantly clear 406 00:15:03,653 --> 00:15:05,113 that the pace of work has nothing 407 00:15:05,113 --> 00:15:07,740 to do with human behavior, and everything to do 408 00:15:07,740 --> 00:15:09,492 with mechanized efficiency. 409 00:15:09,492 --> 00:15:12,411 Add to this draconian regulations 410 00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:16,124 and few meaningful outlets for worker frustrations, 411 00:15:16,124 --> 00:15:17,834 and you have the conditions that result 412 00:15:17,834 --> 00:15:19,627 in tragedies like this one. 413 00:15:19,627 --> 00:15:22,296 - In your opinion, could this tragedy have been prevented? 414 00:15:22,296 --> 00:15:23,881 - Yes. 415 00:15:23,881 --> 00:15:26,050 This wasn't the first episode of a violent behavior 416 00:15:26,050 --> 00:15:27,343 on the part of a postal worker. 417 00:15:27,343 --> 00:15:29,053 Far from it. 418 00:15:29,053 --> 00:15:31,222 The fact is that there have been clusters of such behavior 419 00:15:31,222 --> 00:15:33,641 ranging from homicides to suicides 420 00:15:33,641 --> 00:15:35,518 to fistfights at postal facilities 421 00:15:35,518 --> 00:15:37,186 all over the country. 422 00:15:37,186 --> 00:15:40,022 Now, had management been willing to view these indications 423 00:15:40,022 --> 00:15:43,734 as a fundamental problem and taken steps to remedy that, 424 00:15:43,734 --> 00:15:47,738 this tragedy could have been prevented. 425 00:15:47,738 --> 00:15:49,699 - Did the management in your opinion 426 00:15:49,699 --> 00:15:52,994 have any basis to conclude that George Whelan was a person who 427 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:54,704 was likely to become violent? 428 00:15:54,704 --> 00:15:56,539 - Again, the answer is yes. 429 00:15:56,539 --> 00:15:58,958 See, contrary to popular myth, people 430 00:15:58,958 --> 00:16:01,460 don't just suddenly snap. 431 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:05,756 In 17 years, George Whelan had never filed a single grievance. 432 00:16:05,756 --> 00:16:09,177 Now suddenly, he was disciplined for a petty infraction. 433 00:16:09,177 --> 00:16:11,637 And in the span of two weeks, he filed six. 434 00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:13,723 He wrote three letters to supervisors 435 00:16:13,723 --> 00:16:16,475 and requested an appointment to speak to Mr. Daggett, something 436 00:16:16,475 --> 00:16:17,977 he had never done before. 437 00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:19,937 Now, he made numerous references in his letters 438 00:16:19,937 --> 00:16:23,524 to acts of violence committed at other postal facilities. 439 00:16:23,524 --> 00:16:25,109 These were signals. 440 00:16:25,109 --> 00:16:28,196 These were calls for help. 441 00:16:28,196 --> 00:16:32,742 And anyone who was listening would have heard them. 442 00:16:32,742 --> 00:16:34,285 - I have nothing further. 443 00:16:34,285 --> 00:16:37,288 - You referred to the clusters of violent behavior 444 00:16:37,288 --> 00:16:38,497 among postal workers. 445 00:16:38,497 --> 00:16:40,208 Tell me something, doctor. 446 00:16:40,208 --> 00:16:41,959 How does the Postal Service compare with other industries 447 00:16:41,959 --> 00:16:43,669 in that regard? 448 00:16:43,669 --> 00:16:46,005 - Not having done a statistical analysis on other industries, 449 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:47,548 I really couldn't say. 450 00:16:47,548 --> 00:16:50,760 - In that I have done a little statistical analysis, 451 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,471 let me run the following figures by you. 452 00:16:53,471 --> 00:16:57,475 The number of homicides and or suicides among postal workers 453 00:16:57,475 --> 00:17:01,187 is 2.3 for every 500,000 workers. 454 00:17:01,187 --> 00:17:05,775 Among hotel clerks, the rates 10 per every 500,000 workers. 455 00:17:05,775 --> 00:17:07,526 Should we look into on-the-job stress 456 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:09,278 in the hotel industry, doctor? 457 00:17:09,278 --> 00:17:11,989 - I'm sure you know, counselor, that those kind of statistics 458 00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:14,242 are hardly what I base my conclusions on. 459 00:17:14,242 --> 00:17:16,285 - Doctor, I don't think you base your conclusions 460 00:17:16,285 --> 00:17:18,037 on any kind of statistics. 461 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:18,913 - Objection. 462 00:17:18,913 --> 00:17:20,581 - Sustained. 463 00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:23,167 - Is there scientific proof of any kind that on-the-job 464 00:17:23,167 --> 00:17:27,046 stress was responsible for acts of violence in postal workers? 465 00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:31,384 - Well, if you mean hard and fast verifiable data, 466 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:32,760 the answer is no. 467 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,971 - In other words, it's impossible to prove, 468 00:17:34,971 --> 00:17:36,264 it's impossible to disprove. 469 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:39,141 It's a theory, isn't it, doctor? 470 00:17:39,141 --> 00:17:40,685 - Yes. 471 00:17:40,685 --> 00:17:44,730 - It's a theory that if accepted as fact will allow 472 00:17:44,730 --> 00:17:47,316 the plaintiff in this case to collect a great deal of money 473 00:17:47,316 --> 00:17:51,988 because the Postal Service is, after all, a deep, deep pocket. 474 00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:53,739 Did you have that in mind by any chance 475 00:17:53,739 --> 00:17:55,741 when you were formulating this theory? 476 00:17:55,741 --> 00:17:56,784 - No. 477 00:17:56,784 --> 00:17:58,661 I didn't. 478 00:17:58,661 --> 00:18:00,079 - All right, doctor. 479 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,081 I have no further questions. 480 00:18:08,963 --> 00:18:10,756 - Oh my. 481 00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:12,216 - How does it look? 482 00:18:12,216 --> 00:18:14,885 - This is quite a collection, not necessarily 483 00:18:14,885 --> 00:18:18,306 in terms of its monetary value, although that's 484 00:18:18,306 --> 00:18:19,974 not inconsiderable. 485 00:18:19,974 --> 00:18:24,812 But primarily in terms of its intellectual organization, 486 00:18:24,812 --> 00:18:28,983 its understanding of historical significance, 487 00:18:28,983 --> 00:18:33,946 a superb series of 1923 imperforates, 488 00:18:33,946 --> 00:18:40,620 a never-hinged plate block of a 1924 Huguenot-Walloon, 489 00:18:40,620 --> 00:18:44,582 some fine examples of Graf Zeppelins. 490 00:18:44,582 --> 00:18:46,959 This was a real collector. 491 00:18:46,959 --> 00:18:49,086 - Well, that doesn't surprise me. 492 00:18:49,086 --> 00:18:51,464 Nat was very methodical about everything he did. 493 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:54,300 He was a very thoughtful, rather scholarly, man. 494 00:18:54,300 --> 00:18:55,885 - It shows. 495 00:18:55,885 --> 00:18:58,846 - Do you have any idea yet as to how much it's worth? 496 00:18:58,846 --> 00:19:00,973 - Well, from what I've seen thus far, 497 00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:04,268 I would say we were into the mid five figure range. 498 00:19:04,268 --> 00:19:05,853 And there are a couple of boxes that I 499 00:19:05,853 --> 00:19:07,813 haven't been through as of yet. 500 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:09,565 Let's see what we have over here. 501 00:19:09,565 --> 00:19:12,026 - All right. 502 00:19:12,026 --> 00:19:14,320 - Speaking strictly as a fellow philatelist, 503 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,697 I can tell you there's much to admire here. 504 00:19:16,697 --> 00:19:19,909 There are themes and confluences running throughout what 505 00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:22,703 this man has done. 506 00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:24,246 What is this? 507 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:25,539 - What? 508 00:19:25,539 --> 00:19:27,416 - There's a false bottom in this box. 509 00:19:32,546 --> 00:19:35,174 It appears that there's pornography 510 00:19:35,174 --> 00:19:37,218 in here, Mr. Mackenzie. 511 00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,220 - What? 512 00:19:39,220 --> 00:19:42,223 - It appears that it didn't get in here by mistake, either. 513 00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:45,768 - Well, I have no idea where it would have come from. 514 00:19:45,768 --> 00:19:48,020 - There's quite an array, isn't there? 515 00:19:55,486 --> 00:19:59,907 Look at this degradation. 516 00:19:59,907 --> 00:20:02,076 - Did you know George Whelan, Mr. Daggett? 517 00:20:02,076 --> 00:20:02,993 - Not personally. 518 00:20:02,993 --> 00:20:04,495 No. 519 00:20:04,495 --> 00:20:05,955 - Were you aware of the fact that he had requested 520 00:20:05,955 --> 00:20:07,373 an appointment with you? 521 00:20:07,373 --> 00:20:09,500 - I wasn't aware of it for the simple reason 522 00:20:09,500 --> 00:20:11,919 that all employee communications are handled further 523 00:20:11,919 --> 00:20:13,587 down the chain of command. 524 00:20:13,587 --> 00:20:15,089 It was dealt with. 525 00:20:15,089 --> 00:20:17,341 It just wasn't dealt with by me. 526 00:20:17,341 --> 00:20:19,176 - Was there any mechanism in place 527 00:20:19,176 --> 00:20:20,678 to deal with worker stress? 528 00:20:20,678 --> 00:20:22,346 - Yes. 529 00:20:22,346 --> 00:20:24,765 There's a referral service for psychological counseling. 530 00:20:24,765 --> 00:20:27,476 There's the grievance procedure if an employee feels 531 00:20:27,476 --> 00:20:29,311 he or she has been wronged. 532 00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:32,606 And then of course, there's all of us, by which I mean 533 00:20:32,606 --> 00:20:35,860 employees and supervisors both. 534 00:20:35,860 --> 00:20:38,070 Our number-one resource at the US Postal Service 535 00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:39,280 is our people. 536 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:40,531 We should never lose sight of that. 537 00:20:40,531 --> 00:20:42,658 - In your opinion, was there any way 538 00:20:42,658 --> 00:20:45,077 that you could have prevented this tragedy from happening? 539 00:20:45,077 --> 00:20:46,829 - I wish there had been. 540 00:20:46,829 --> 00:20:50,374 The truth is I don't know what I would have done differently. 541 00:20:50,374 --> 00:20:53,002 I don't know what I could have done. 542 00:20:53,002 --> 00:20:56,464 I'm trained to move the mail, not diagnose mental illnesses. 543 00:20:56,464 --> 00:20:58,257 But what I want to say to Mr. McAllister 544 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:03,220 is this, that while I did not lose anyone dear to me, 545 00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:06,640 I too was devastated by what happened. 546 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,267 I think I can safely say that all 547 00:21:08,267 --> 00:21:10,811 of us whose lives were touched by this event 548 00:21:10,811 --> 00:21:12,688 will never be the same. 549 00:21:12,688 --> 00:21:14,356 - I have nothing further. 550 00:21:14,356 --> 00:21:16,901 - Since you say that your life will never be the same, 551 00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:19,612 I'd like to start by asking exactly how it's different. 552 00:21:19,612 --> 00:21:21,113 - I'm not sure I know what you mean. 553 00:21:21,113 --> 00:21:22,990 - Do you have the same work rules in place 554 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:24,617 now that you had in place before? 555 00:21:24,617 --> 00:21:26,577 - Those work rules exist for a reason. 556 00:21:26,577 --> 00:21:27,411 - Is that a yes? 557 00:21:27,411 --> 00:21:29,121 - Yes. 558 00:21:29,121 --> 00:21:30,956 - Do you still write people up for taking too many steps? 559 00:21:30,956 --> 00:21:32,750 - We've conducted studies, Ms. Perros. 560 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:34,627 - Do you write them up for holding an envelope 561 00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:36,212 at the wrong angle to read it? 562 00:21:36,212 --> 00:21:38,589 - Those studies have shown us the optimally efficient 563 00:21:38,589 --> 00:21:40,216 method to perform each task. 564 00:21:40,216 --> 00:21:42,593 - And if someone deviates from that which is optimally 565 00:21:42,593 --> 00:21:44,595 efficient, you bust them. 566 00:21:44,595 --> 00:21:46,305 - I correct them. 567 00:21:46,305 --> 00:21:47,515 That's my job. 568 00:21:47,515 --> 00:21:48,974 - Isn't it also your job to provide 569 00:21:48,974 --> 00:21:50,559 a work environment that's safe? 570 00:21:50,559 --> 00:21:52,895 - What happened that day could have happened anywhere. 571 00:21:52,895 --> 00:21:54,480 It could have happened on the street. 572 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,524 It could have happened on a bus. 573 00:21:56,524 --> 00:21:59,068 It could have happened right here in this courtroom. 574 00:21:59,068 --> 00:22:01,654 I tried to provide a work environment that's safe. 575 00:22:01,654 --> 00:22:03,531 But sometimes, unforeseen events will 576 00:22:03,531 --> 00:22:05,157 occur that render it otherwise. 577 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:07,743 - And it's your testimony that the work rules in place 578 00:22:07,743 --> 00:22:09,370 at your facility did nothing to bring 579 00:22:09,370 --> 00:22:11,121 about this unforeseen event. 580 00:22:11,121 --> 00:22:12,498 - Look. 581 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:14,667 I have a very clear-cut mandate Ms. Perros. 582 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:15,626 Do it faster. 583 00:22:15,626 --> 00:22:16,418 Do it cheaper. 584 00:22:16,418 --> 00:22:17,586 Do it better. 585 00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:18,921 People want their mail delivered. 586 00:22:18,921 --> 00:22:20,422 They want it delivered promptly. 587 00:22:20,422 --> 00:22:22,758 And they don't want the price of a stamp to go up 588 00:22:22,758 --> 00:22:24,718 by as much as one single penny. 589 00:22:24,718 --> 00:22:27,513 I do what I have to do to get the job done. 590 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:36,230 - Fix your collar. 591 00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:37,523 We're not going on a bus. 592 00:22:37,523 --> 00:22:39,775 We're going on an airplane. 593 00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:42,987 Gotta look a little sharp. 594 00:22:42,987 --> 00:22:44,113 - Do I look sharp now? 595 00:22:48,325 --> 00:22:49,368 - Like a tech. 596 00:22:49,368 --> 00:22:50,536 - I'm so excited. 597 00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:51,662 I can't believe we're doing this. 598 00:22:51,662 --> 00:22:52,830 - Remember what I told you. 599 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:53,956 This is a business trip. 600 00:22:53,956 --> 00:22:54,999 - OK. 601 00:22:54,999 --> 00:22:56,125 - We're a couple of businessmen. 602 00:22:56,125 --> 00:22:57,626 We're going on a business trip. 603 00:22:57,626 --> 00:22:59,837 If we should happen to enjoy ourselves along the way, 604 00:22:59,837 --> 00:23:01,171 all well and good. 605 00:23:01,171 --> 00:23:02,965 But the purpose of this trip is business. 606 00:23:02,965 --> 00:23:03,799 - Business. 607 00:23:05,968 --> 00:23:07,219 - You all packed? - Yeah. 608 00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:08,971 - Good. 609 00:23:08,971 --> 00:23:12,099 Let's make like a hockey stick and get the puck out of here. 610 00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:13,350 Let's go. 611 00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:14,184 - Oh. 612 00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:25,237 - Where are you off to, Benny? 613 00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:27,114 - Oh, I asked Douglas if I could leave early. 614 00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:28,407 And he said it was OK. 615 00:23:28,407 --> 00:23:30,117 - Where are you going? 616 00:23:30,117 --> 00:23:32,328 - I gave out the mail, and I put extra paper in the copier, 617 00:23:32,328 --> 00:23:33,537 and I cleaned up the kitchen. 618 00:23:33,537 --> 00:23:34,580 - Benny. 619 00:23:34,580 --> 00:23:36,206 - Tell her where we're going. 620 00:23:36,206 --> 00:23:37,291 - We're going to Vegas. 621 00:23:43,464 --> 00:23:47,051 [music playing] 622 00:23:56,852 --> 00:23:58,103 - I'm going to get rid of it. 623 00:23:58,103 --> 00:23:59,647 - You can't get rid of it, Leland. 624 00:23:59,647 --> 00:24:01,774 It's hard core pornography, Stewart. 625 00:24:01,774 --> 00:24:03,484 The family doesn't know about it. 626 00:24:03,484 --> 00:24:05,944 What possible good would it do them to find out? 627 00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:08,197 - Yeah, I guess I wouldn't want to know that my father 628 00:24:08,197 --> 00:24:09,448 collected pornography. 629 00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:10,532 - Your father collected pornography? 630 00:24:10,532 --> 00:24:11,325 - No. - No. 631 00:24:11,325 --> 00:24:13,035 No. 632 00:24:13,035 --> 00:24:14,620 The deceased in this estate matter collected pornography. 633 00:24:14,620 --> 00:24:16,205 - What do you mean by collected? 634 00:24:16,205 --> 00:24:17,748 - I mean, collected. 635 00:24:17,748 --> 00:24:20,292 I mean, boxes of magazines, films, playing cards, 636 00:24:20,292 --> 00:24:21,669 a jigsaw puzzle. 637 00:24:21,669 --> 00:24:23,212 - Have you seen it? - No, I haven't seen it. 638 00:24:23,212 --> 00:24:25,130 - I really think everyone's interest would be best 639 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:26,423 served if I just destroyed it. 640 00:24:26,423 --> 00:24:27,925 - Well, you can't destroy it, Leland. 641 00:24:27,925 --> 00:24:30,052 You have a fiduciary relationship to the estate. 642 00:24:30,052 --> 00:24:32,346 - But it's not as if it's worth any money. 643 00:24:32,346 --> 00:24:35,057 - Are you sure? 644 00:24:35,057 --> 00:24:36,600 - Are you telling me there's a market 645 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,018 in secondhand pornography? 646 00:24:38,018 --> 00:24:39,520 - I don't know whether there is or there isn't. 647 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,271 But before you dispose of this stuff, 648 00:24:41,271 --> 00:24:43,565 I think I ought to call Yale Tobias to come and take a look. 649 00:24:43,565 --> 00:24:45,234 - Oh, that's a great idea. 650 00:24:45,234 --> 00:24:46,527 - Yeah, his wife divorced him because of his collection 651 00:24:46,527 --> 00:24:47,695 of pornography. 652 00:24:47,695 --> 00:24:49,780 He's rich, he's obsessed, I think 653 00:24:49,780 --> 00:24:52,032 we ought to get him in here. 654 00:24:52,032 --> 00:24:53,826 - Give him a call, Arnold. 655 00:24:53,826 --> 00:24:56,996 One way or another, I want that material out of my office. 656 00:25:00,249 --> 00:25:02,251 - Where do you now reside, Mr. Whelan? 657 00:25:02,251 --> 00:25:04,753 - I reside at Atascadero State Hospital, 658 00:25:04,753 --> 00:25:06,505 Atascadero, California. 659 00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:09,425 - And how long did you work for the Postal Service, Mr. Whelan? 660 00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:11,301 - 17 years. 661 00:25:11,301 --> 00:25:13,012 - Would you tell us what your job was? 662 00:25:13,012 --> 00:25:14,346 - I sorted mail. 663 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:15,973 - Did you like your job? 664 00:25:15,973 --> 00:25:17,391 - One time, I did. 665 00:25:17,391 --> 00:25:19,810 - And did that change? 666 00:25:19,810 --> 00:25:20,894 - Yes, it did. 667 00:25:20,894 --> 00:25:22,062 - What happened? 668 00:25:22,062 --> 00:25:23,981 - They wrote me up. 669 00:25:23,981 --> 00:25:26,817 - What'd they write you up for? 670 00:25:26,817 --> 00:25:28,318 - For being late. 671 00:25:28,318 --> 00:25:29,486 - Were you late? 672 00:25:29,486 --> 00:25:30,904 - No, I wasn't. 673 00:25:30,904 --> 00:25:35,242 In 17 years of working there, I was never late. 674 00:25:35,242 --> 00:25:38,996 I make something of a point of that. 675 00:25:38,996 --> 00:25:43,917 I figure out how long it's going to take me to get from point A 676 00:25:43,917 --> 00:25:48,797 to point B. I allow for traffic, I allow for weather, 677 00:25:48,797 --> 00:25:51,925 and as a result of that, I'm always on time. 678 00:25:51,925 --> 00:25:53,343 - Then why were you written up? 679 00:25:53,343 --> 00:25:56,096 - Because a pipe broke in one of the restrooms. 680 00:25:56,096 --> 00:25:58,432 As a result of that, they closed the entrance 681 00:25:58,432 --> 00:26:00,809 I was accustomed to using. 682 00:26:00,809 --> 00:26:04,813 As a result of that, I had to go around half the circumference 683 00:26:04,813 --> 00:26:06,565 of the building to get in. 684 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:12,362 As a result of that, I was, in fact, late in punching in. 685 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:15,032 But I was not late in getting to work. 686 00:26:15,032 --> 00:26:16,909 - How late were you in punching in? 687 00:26:16,909 --> 00:26:20,913 - 10 minutes late, which I know seems trivial to many people, 688 00:26:20,913 --> 00:26:24,666 but the rule was you had to be on time. 689 00:26:24,666 --> 00:26:27,961 I have no quarrel with that rule. 690 00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:32,341 In this instance, however, it wasn't my fault. 691 00:26:32,341 --> 00:26:33,258 - Did you say that? 692 00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:36,345 - I said it repeatedly. 693 00:26:36,345 --> 00:26:38,555 I put it in writing. 694 00:26:38,555 --> 00:26:42,893 I wanted that lateness notation expunged from my record. 695 00:26:42,893 --> 00:26:44,353 - And were they willing to do that? 696 00:26:44,353 --> 00:26:45,938 - No. 697 00:26:45,938 --> 00:26:48,565 They weren't. 698 00:26:48,565 --> 00:26:54,655 And because I was unwilling to let it go, I was disciplined. 699 00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:56,198 - How were you disciplined. 700 00:26:56,198 --> 00:26:58,951 - I was told to watch the scale. 701 00:26:58,951 --> 00:27:01,078 They'd bring packages over to weigh them. 702 00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:02,871 And I would see how much they weighed. 703 00:27:02,871 --> 00:27:05,624 There were yellow lines painted on the floor. 704 00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:09,169 And I was told to stay inside those lines my entire shift. 705 00:27:09,169 --> 00:27:13,966 I was permitted out for lunch for two 10-minute breaks. 706 00:27:13,966 --> 00:27:15,551 And if I had to go to the bathroom, 707 00:27:15,551 --> 00:27:17,010 I'd ask permission to go. 708 00:27:17,010 --> 00:27:19,805 - Why did you bring a gun to work, Mr. Whelan? 709 00:27:19,805 --> 00:27:27,688 - Because I felt as though I had been unfairly treated. 710 00:27:27,688 --> 00:27:30,274 And maybe I made too much of that. 711 00:27:30,274 --> 00:27:33,110 I did make too much of it. 712 00:27:36,196 --> 00:27:39,241 I know, Mr. Daggett, that you had a lot more on your minds 713 00:27:39,241 --> 00:27:40,826 than my excuses. 714 00:27:40,826 --> 00:27:42,369 If I was late, I was late. 715 00:27:42,369 --> 00:27:43,954 Period. 716 00:27:43,954 --> 00:27:47,541 But now that I have your ear, sir, there's 717 00:27:47,541 --> 00:27:49,334 something else I'd like to say. 718 00:27:49,334 --> 00:27:53,505 If you could find it in your heart to give me my job back, 719 00:27:53,505 --> 00:27:57,384 you never have to worry about my being late again. 720 00:27:57,384 --> 00:27:58,302 That's a promise. 721 00:28:06,727 --> 00:28:09,688 - Benny, you need to tell us what's going on. 722 00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:11,481 - What do you mean? 723 00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:13,275 - We understand that your friend Dominic took you to Las Vegas. 724 00:28:13,275 --> 00:28:14,109 - Yeah. 725 00:28:14,109 --> 00:28:15,694 - Who paid? 726 00:28:15,694 --> 00:28:17,070 - I did. 727 00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:18,739 - I think we got to take some action here. 728 00:28:18,739 --> 00:28:19,531 - What do you mean? 729 00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,033 - What do I mean? 730 00:28:21,033 --> 00:28:22,701 How much did you spend to go to Las Vegas, Benny? 731 00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:26,955 - Well, airplane tickets were $387. 732 00:28:26,955 --> 00:28:28,332 - Wait a second. 733 00:28:28,332 --> 00:28:29,625 You paid for his ticket as well as your own? 734 00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:31,251 - Uh-huh. - What else did you pay for? 735 00:28:31,251 --> 00:28:32,920 - Well, I paid for chips. 736 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,879 - How much? 737 00:28:33,879 --> 00:28:35,213 - $500 worth. 738 00:28:35,213 --> 00:28:36,548 - Can we get a protective order? 739 00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:37,966 - We can certainly try. 740 00:28:37,966 --> 00:28:39,593 - What happened after you bought the chips? 741 00:28:39,593 --> 00:28:41,803 - Dominic played this dice game they have. 742 00:28:41,803 --> 00:28:44,848 If you throw the dice and get a seven, you win. 743 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:48,310 Or if you get another number and then you get it again, you win. 744 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:51,188 Or if you put a chip down on a square and somebody else 745 00:28:51,188 --> 00:28:52,314 is throwing the dice-- - Yes. 746 00:28:52,314 --> 00:28:53,398 We know. It's called craps. 747 00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:54,441 We know what the game is. 748 00:28:54,441 --> 00:28:56,401 - Dominic let me throw the dice. 749 00:28:56,401 --> 00:28:57,778 And we kept winning. 750 00:28:57,778 --> 00:29:00,364 And the man kept giving us more and more chips. 751 00:29:00,364 --> 00:29:01,531 - Then what happened? 752 00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:02,783 - Then we went and played blackjack 753 00:29:02,783 --> 00:29:04,326 where you got to get 21. 754 00:29:04,326 --> 00:29:07,579 And then the man kept giving us more and more chips. 755 00:29:07,579 --> 00:29:10,123 And then I went over to the slot machines 756 00:29:10,123 --> 00:29:14,086 and I kept putting quarters in until $50 in quarters came out. 757 00:29:14,086 --> 00:29:17,297 - Benny, how much money did you have when you got there? 758 00:29:17,297 --> 00:29:19,174 - $620. 759 00:29:19,174 --> 00:29:21,218 - How much money did you have when you left? 760 00:29:21,218 --> 00:29:23,971 - $3.75. 761 00:29:23,971 --> 00:29:26,473 We had to take the bus home from the airport. 762 00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:27,599 - I don't get it, Benno. 763 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:28,517 You're a thrifty guy. 764 00:29:28,517 --> 00:29:29,518 You're smart with money. 765 00:29:29,518 --> 00:29:30,769 Why are you doing this? 766 00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:32,896 - It was fun, Arnie. 767 00:29:32,896 --> 00:29:34,690 We saw Siegfried and Roy. 768 00:29:38,652 --> 00:29:43,156 - He's got the complete Santa Cruz series. 769 00:29:43,156 --> 00:29:46,952 The Svendborg bestiality plates. 770 00:29:46,952 --> 00:29:49,454 These are very rare editions. 771 00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:51,790 - Oh, how long is this going to take, Arnold? 772 00:29:51,790 --> 00:29:55,127 - What I find most remarkable is the scholarliness 773 00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:58,839 and the discipline evidenced in this collection. 774 00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:01,299 Most collectors collect along the line of fetishes. 775 00:30:01,299 --> 00:30:05,012 This gentleman's approach was historical. 776 00:30:05,012 --> 00:30:08,765 There are pieces from Nazi Germany. 777 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:11,977 There's a wonderful soft core section 778 00:30:11,977 --> 00:30:15,022 from the '50s with those Seabrook homes 779 00:30:15,022 --> 00:30:19,192 of women posing with garden hoses and guitars. 780 00:30:19,192 --> 00:30:20,944 - Arnold. 781 00:30:20,944 --> 00:30:24,865 - Is the quote unquote "free love hippie years" 782 00:30:24,865 --> 00:30:29,202 the Chicago School, the so-called existential 783 00:30:29,202 --> 00:30:32,581 nymphomania period represented like I've never 784 00:30:32,581 --> 00:30:33,790 seen it represented before. 785 00:30:33,790 --> 00:30:35,250 - I take it that you're interested. 786 00:30:35,250 --> 00:30:36,043 - Oh my God. 787 00:30:39,421 --> 00:30:40,630 Yes. 788 00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:42,090 - Correct me if I'm wrong, Leland. 789 00:30:42,090 --> 00:30:43,341 I think what we're interested in doing here is 790 00:30:43,341 --> 00:30:44,718 selling the entire collection. 791 00:30:44,718 --> 00:30:46,303 - Absolutely. 792 00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:48,597 - Arnold, you don't break up a collection like this. 793 00:30:48,597 --> 00:30:53,685 I mean, even if I wanted to, what wouldn't I take? 794 00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:55,562 The 8 millimeter reels? 795 00:30:55,562 --> 00:30:56,521 - How much Yale? 796 00:30:56,521 --> 00:30:59,191 - All right. 797 00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:01,276 I can give you a check right now for-- 798 00:31:04,446 --> 00:31:07,365 $50,000. 799 00:31:07,365 --> 00:31:12,287 - Mr. Tobias, we know what we've got here. 800 00:31:12,287 --> 00:31:14,414 We know what the Svendborg bestiality 801 00:31:14,414 --> 00:31:15,874 plates alone are worth. 802 00:31:15,874 --> 00:31:17,918 Now, out of consideration to Arnold, 803 00:31:17,918 --> 00:31:19,711 I'm showing you the collection before I 804 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:21,254 show it to anyone else. 805 00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:23,298 But I'm not willing, and I'm not able as an executor 806 00:31:23,298 --> 00:31:25,634 of the estate, to make any concessions on price. 807 00:31:25,634 --> 00:31:28,553 - You think you can do better than $50,000? 808 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,055 - Yes I do. 809 00:31:30,055 --> 00:31:31,807 I've already got a call from a Japanese collector 810 00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:36,186 willing to buy the entire collection, sight unseen. 811 00:31:36,186 --> 00:31:38,355 - Well, I am not letting this fall by the wayside 812 00:31:38,355 --> 00:31:40,023 because I wanted to save a buck. 813 00:31:40,023 --> 00:31:42,859 An opportunity like this comes along once in a lifetime. 814 00:31:42,859 --> 00:31:45,153 And I am not about to let it pass me by. 815 00:31:48,865 --> 00:31:52,327 I want this collection. 816 00:31:52,327 --> 00:31:53,495 - How much do you want it? 817 00:31:56,331 --> 00:31:59,417 - I want it very much. 818 00:32:04,089 --> 00:32:06,216 - Do you want to tell me what it was were thinking 819 00:32:06,216 --> 00:32:09,010 about when you fobbed off your responsibility for this appeal 820 00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:09,803 on Gwen? 821 00:32:09,803 --> 00:32:11,179 - What do you mean? 822 00:32:11,179 --> 00:32:12,764 - I mean that Gwen's not a lawyer, Melina. 823 00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:14,850 She's not authorized by either the state of California 824 00:32:14,850 --> 00:32:17,144 or this firm to practice law. 825 00:32:17,144 --> 00:32:18,478 - I asked her to assist me. 826 00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:20,939 - She called the general counsel's office. 827 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:22,482 - So what? 828 00:32:22,482 --> 00:32:24,067 - She spoke to one of their bank's senior attorneys. 829 00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:25,819 - So what? 830 00:32:25,819 --> 00:32:27,612 - Did it ever occur to you that the bank's attorneys, like most 831 00:32:27,612 --> 00:32:30,198 attorneys, don't appreciate having their time taken up 832 00:32:30,198 --> 00:32:32,325 explaining the fine points of an appellate brief 833 00:32:32,325 --> 00:32:34,870 to someone who is themself not an attorney? 834 00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:37,455 - Were the questions Gwen asked stupid questions? 835 00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:39,374 - I don't think that's the least bit relevant. 836 00:32:39,374 --> 00:32:41,626 You had no business bringing her into that case. 837 00:32:41,626 --> 00:32:43,211 - Look. 838 00:32:43,211 --> 00:32:45,505 I am doing what I have to do to manage my workload. 839 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:48,216 If she screwed up, I would take responsibility for that. 840 00:32:48,216 --> 00:32:49,718 She didn't screw up. 841 00:32:49,718 --> 00:32:52,804 She just violated what you and some other pompous 842 00:32:52,804 --> 00:32:54,931 lawyer with a pole up his ass regard 843 00:32:54,931 --> 00:32:57,350 as an inviolate caste system. 844 00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:58,894 And for that, you're in here wasting 845 00:32:58,894 --> 00:33:00,812 what precious few moments I have left in which 846 00:33:00,812 --> 00:33:02,272 to prepare to go to court. 847 00:33:02,272 --> 00:33:03,607 - Now, you listen to me, Melina. 848 00:33:03,607 --> 00:33:05,025 And listen good. 849 00:33:05,025 --> 00:33:06,443 I wouldn't be in here if I hadn't gotten a call 850 00:33:06,443 --> 00:33:08,195 from the bank's attorney. 851 00:33:08,195 --> 00:33:10,113 And I wouldn't have gotten that call if he hadn't been unhappy. 852 00:33:10,113 --> 00:33:11,740 Now you may think that's insignificant. 853 00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:13,700 Let me assure you, you're wrong. 854 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,660 This bank represents what could potentially 855 00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:18,079 be a substantial source of revenue for this firm. 856 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:21,249 As the managing partner, it's my responsibility to do everything 857 00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:23,668 in my power to make sure that potential is realized, 858 00:33:23,668 --> 00:33:26,796 starting with making sure that their attorneys are 859 00:33:26,796 --> 00:33:28,215 not unhappy. 860 00:33:28,215 --> 00:33:30,467 Now, if you can't assure me of that, let me know 861 00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:32,219 and I'll give this case to someone else. 862 00:33:32,219 --> 00:33:34,137 - Douglas, I have been working till 10 o'clock 863 00:33:34,137 --> 00:33:35,805 every night for two weeks. 864 00:33:35,805 --> 00:33:38,850 I haven't had a day off in over a month. 865 00:33:38,850 --> 00:33:40,894 Maybe you should give this to somebody else. 866 00:33:40,894 --> 00:33:41,728 - Done. 867 00:33:49,986 --> 00:33:51,821 - It's always difficult to understand 868 00:33:51,821 --> 00:33:56,117 a tragedy to try and make sense out of the senseless. 869 00:33:56,117 --> 00:33:59,746 An innocent woman dies and we all grieve. 870 00:33:59,746 --> 00:34:03,959 Unfortunately, random violence is part of society. 871 00:34:03,959 --> 00:34:05,335 A day doesn't go by that we don't 872 00:34:05,335 --> 00:34:08,463 read about another murder, another shooting. 873 00:34:08,463 --> 00:34:11,758 Is the post office a demanding high-stress environment 874 00:34:11,758 --> 00:34:13,009 in which to work? 875 00:34:13,009 --> 00:34:14,594 Undoubtedly. 876 00:34:14,594 --> 00:34:17,722 Is there a connection between violence and the working 877 00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:20,058 conditions at the post office? 878 00:34:20,058 --> 00:34:21,559 We have no idea. 879 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:24,271 The only issue here, ladies and gentlemen, 880 00:34:24,271 --> 00:34:27,357 is, did the management at the Northfield Postal Facility 881 00:34:27,357 --> 00:34:30,735 cause George Whelan to do what he did? 882 00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:35,615 All of us in varying degrees are under stress, punching a time 883 00:34:35,615 --> 00:34:37,158 clock, pleasing your boss. 884 00:34:37,158 --> 00:34:38,994 Those are stressful things. 885 00:34:38,994 --> 00:34:40,787 Most of us, however, don't take a gun 886 00:34:40,787 --> 00:34:42,455 to work and start shooting. 887 00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:45,417 And none of us, if we did so, would be entitled to hold 888 00:34:45,417 --> 00:34:47,627 our employers responsible. 889 00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:49,879 While it may be comforting to believe 890 00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:53,883 that a dangerous individual can somehow be singled out, 891 00:34:53,883 --> 00:34:57,721 somehow be stopped, the truth is that no one 892 00:34:57,721 --> 00:35:01,349 knows how to do that. 893 00:35:01,349 --> 00:35:04,853 Does the post office regret that Tina McAllister was killed? 894 00:35:04,853 --> 00:35:06,271 Absolutely. 895 00:35:06,271 --> 00:35:10,400 But are they in any way to blame for her death? 896 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,401 Absolutely not. 897 00:35:16,448 --> 00:35:19,701 - The defense counsel's right. 898 00:35:19,701 --> 00:35:22,620 We all have stress. 899 00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:27,375 If we work for a living, we depend on our boss's approval. 900 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:29,002 We need our paychecks. 901 00:35:29,002 --> 00:35:30,920 And we want to do a good job. 902 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,256 And so we're vulnerable. 903 00:35:33,256 --> 00:35:36,092 We're vulnerable to our boss's whims, to their moods, 904 00:35:36,092 --> 00:35:38,970 to the pressures that they're under themselves. 905 00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:41,973 There are some bosses who are reasonable and fair. 906 00:35:41,973 --> 00:35:45,143 And there are some who are petty, and abusive, and cruel, 907 00:35:45,143 --> 00:35:47,062 and they get away with being like that 908 00:35:47,062 --> 00:35:50,648 because the people who work for them need their jobs. 909 00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:53,568 I would maintain that the postal service is one such employer, 910 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:57,030 and that Richard Daggett is one such supervisor. 911 00:35:57,030 --> 00:35:59,157 I would maintain that when a worker becomes 912 00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,117 violent after having been repeatedly 913 00:36:01,117 --> 00:36:04,788 hounded and humiliated, it's self evident why he's done so. 914 00:36:04,788 --> 00:36:07,666 Grown men and women should not be treated like children, 915 00:36:07,666 --> 00:36:09,000 should not have to ask permission 916 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,919 to go to the bathroom, or be expected 917 00:36:10,919 --> 00:36:12,879 to perform like robots. 918 00:36:12,879 --> 00:36:15,048 Heightened efficiency is no justification 919 00:36:15,048 --> 00:36:18,093 for the systematic degradation of a human being. 920 00:36:18,093 --> 00:36:21,096 And that's what was done to George Whelan. 921 00:36:21,096 --> 00:36:25,600 And that's why Brian McAllister's wife is dead. 922 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,769 The postal service is to blame. 923 00:36:27,769 --> 00:36:31,940 And it's only fitting and proper that they be made to pay. 924 00:36:31,940 --> 00:36:35,402 [music playing] 925 00:36:50,458 --> 00:36:54,212 - I've gotten an appraisal on the stamp collection. 926 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:55,714 Please. 927 00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:56,756 - And? 928 00:36:56,756 --> 00:37:00,427 - It's worth close to $80,000. 929 00:37:00,427 --> 00:37:02,220 - Well, I guess that settles that question. 930 00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,347 - There's no way I can persuade you not 931 00:37:04,347 --> 00:37:06,099 to sell dad's stamp collection? - Sure there is. 932 00:37:06,099 --> 00:37:07,392 You can give me $40,000. 933 00:37:07,392 --> 00:37:09,728 - Now, there may be another solution. 934 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:14,357 Within your father's collection, I found some other items 935 00:37:14,357 --> 00:37:16,025 that have considerable value. 936 00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:17,152 - You mean, not stamps? 937 00:37:17,152 --> 00:37:17,944 - Right. 938 00:37:17,944 --> 00:37:18,778 Not stamps. 939 00:37:21,531 --> 00:37:23,158 - What did you find? 940 00:37:23,158 --> 00:37:31,040 - Oh, well, I found some men's magazines and some film. 941 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,959 And I found-- 942 00:37:32,959 --> 00:37:35,587 I found pornography. 943 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:37,505 - That didn't belonged to my father. 944 00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:40,425 - When you say pornography, how much pornography 945 00:37:40,425 --> 00:37:41,342 are you talking about? 946 00:37:41,342 --> 00:37:45,305 - $110,000 worth. 947 00:37:45,305 --> 00:37:46,931 - I don't believe that. 948 00:37:46,931 --> 00:37:48,766 - You actually have someone willing to pay that much? 949 00:37:48,766 --> 00:37:49,559 - Yes. 950 00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,060 Yes I do. 951 00:37:51,060 --> 00:37:52,437 - How many dirty magazines did the old man have? 952 00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:53,772 - Well, there's quite a few. 953 00:37:53,772 --> 00:37:55,482 - I think I'm going to be sick. 954 00:37:55,482 --> 00:37:58,276 - Well, let me suggest that what it does allow you to do 955 00:37:58,276 --> 00:38:01,070 is keep the stamp collection and sell the pornography, 956 00:38:01,070 --> 00:38:03,323 and split the difference between the value of the two. 957 00:38:03,323 --> 00:38:04,782 - I don't want to have anything from the sale 958 00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:05,825 of his pornography. 959 00:38:05,825 --> 00:38:06,951 - Well, you are entitled to it. 960 00:38:06,951 --> 00:38:08,244 - I don't want it. 961 00:38:08,244 --> 00:38:10,371 That's what he was doing in his study? 962 00:38:10,371 --> 00:38:12,916 - It's not like that's all he was doing. 963 00:38:12,916 --> 00:38:14,459 - I have to get out of here. 964 00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:16,377 - Well, we're supposed to sit down with your mother 965 00:38:16,377 --> 00:38:18,421 today and let her know what we're going to do. 966 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:19,756 - Fine. 967 00:38:19,756 --> 00:38:21,591 Right now, I just have to be by myself. 968 00:38:21,591 --> 00:38:22,884 - Judith, come on. 969 00:38:26,095 --> 00:38:31,184 He spent part of the time on his stamp collection, right? 970 00:38:31,184 --> 00:38:32,143 - Yeah, yeah. 971 00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:35,063 Well, yeah. 972 00:38:35,063 --> 00:38:38,983 - The matter of McAllister versus the US Postal Service. 973 00:38:38,983 --> 00:38:40,485 Has the jury reached a verdict? 974 00:38:40,485 --> 00:38:41,444 - We have, your honor. 975 00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:43,154 - How say you? 976 00:38:43,154 --> 00:38:45,740 - We find for the plaintiff an award damages 977 00:38:45,740 --> 00:38:47,700 in the amount of $1 million. 978 00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:50,203 - The jury is dismissed with the thanks of the court. 979 00:38:50,203 --> 00:38:53,373 We are adjourned. 980 00:38:53,373 --> 00:38:54,249 - [whispering] 981 00:38:55,959 --> 00:38:58,336 - We won. 982 00:38:58,336 --> 00:38:59,838 So now they appeal, right? 983 00:38:59,838 --> 00:39:01,256 - Either that, or offer to settle. 984 00:39:01,256 --> 00:39:02,590 - Forget about that. 985 00:39:02,590 --> 00:39:04,008 - Well, let's just see what the offer is. 986 00:39:04,008 --> 00:39:05,969 Because they can keep us in appeals for years. 987 00:39:05,969 --> 00:39:07,136 - Let them. 988 00:39:07,136 --> 00:39:08,471 - Don't you want the money, Brian? 989 00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:09,889 - Not if it means capitulation. 990 00:39:09,889 --> 00:39:11,391 - It doesn't mean that. 991 00:39:11,391 --> 00:39:12,809 It just means that you've made a rational decision 992 00:39:12,809 --> 00:39:14,394 to get on with your life. 993 00:39:14,394 --> 00:39:16,062 - Hey, don't use that expression with me, all right? 994 00:39:16,062 --> 00:39:17,689 The life I knew is over. 995 00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,190 The woman I loved is dead. 996 00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:21,192 And there's nothing more important to me right now 997 00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:24,404 than taking on the people who killed her. 998 00:39:24,404 --> 00:39:26,531 - Come here. 999 00:39:26,531 --> 00:39:27,323 Come on. 1000 00:39:27,323 --> 00:39:28,157 Come sit down. 1001 00:39:31,494 --> 00:39:35,206 Now, you can tell me to mind my own business, but I disagree. 1002 00:39:35,206 --> 00:39:37,250 Because you've got two kids to bring up and that's 1003 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:39,669 a lot more important. 1004 00:39:39,669 --> 00:39:42,046 And you can come away from this with enough money 1005 00:39:42,046 --> 00:39:45,049 to make a difference and be done with it. 1006 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:47,343 - I don't think I want to be done with this. 1007 00:39:47,343 --> 00:39:49,679 I think it'd be best for all involved if this thing just 1008 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,056 dragged on as long as possible. 1009 00:39:52,056 --> 00:39:53,975 - Why? 1010 00:39:53,975 --> 00:39:56,102 - Because I don't know how much difference there is 1011 00:39:56,102 --> 00:39:58,855 between me and George Whelan. 1012 00:39:58,855 --> 00:40:03,526 And when this case is over, I just might kill someone too. 1013 00:40:03,526 --> 00:40:06,988 [music playing] 1014 00:40:14,871 --> 00:40:16,789 - Ah, Judith. 1015 00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:17,624 - Judith. 1016 00:40:21,377 --> 00:40:22,629 - How are you feeling? 1017 00:40:22,629 --> 00:40:25,298 - I'm still in a state of shock. 1018 00:40:25,298 --> 00:40:27,842 - He was a human being, Judith. 1019 00:40:27,842 --> 00:40:29,469 He had flaws. 1020 00:40:29,469 --> 00:40:31,220 - Well, in my book, this was a little more than a flaw. 1021 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:33,431 - That didn't stop him from being a good father now, 1022 00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:34,223 did it? 1023 00:40:34,223 --> 00:40:36,309 - I don't know. 1024 00:40:36,309 --> 00:40:37,685 - Yes you do. 1025 00:40:37,685 --> 00:40:39,812 You know the kind of father he was. 1026 00:40:39,812 --> 00:40:42,065 - This makes me think of him differently, Frank. 1027 00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:44,317 He wasn't this kindly white-haired man 1028 00:40:44,317 --> 00:40:47,487 in a cardigan sweater working on his stamp collection. 1029 00:40:47,487 --> 00:40:50,948 He was an obsessive sicko pawing through dirty pictures. 1030 00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:52,450 - Now, now. 1031 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,243 I haven't said anything about this to your mother. 1032 00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:55,411 - Oh my God. 1033 00:40:55,411 --> 00:40:56,663 I would hope not. - No, no, no. 1034 00:40:56,663 --> 00:40:57,538 She shouldn't know anything about it. 1035 00:40:57,538 --> 00:40:58,998 - It would kill her. 1036 00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:01,459 - I mean, however disconcerting this is to us, 1037 00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:04,128 we can still deal with it a hell of a lot better than she could. 1038 00:41:04,128 --> 00:41:05,421 - So we won't say anything. 1039 00:41:05,421 --> 00:41:06,255 - Nothing. 1040 00:41:06,255 --> 00:41:07,465 - Hello, children. 1041 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:09,092 - Hi, Mom. 1042 00:41:09,092 --> 00:41:10,635 - Leland. 1043 00:41:10,635 --> 00:41:12,845 - Well, have you kids worked out your differences? 1044 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:13,888 - Yes, mom. 1045 00:41:13,888 --> 00:41:14,681 We have. 1046 00:41:14,681 --> 00:41:16,015 - Good. 1047 00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:17,392 I think the last thing your father wanted 1048 00:41:17,392 --> 00:41:19,560 was for something like his stamp collection 1049 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,480 to have driven the two of you apart. 1050 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,192 By the way, did you ever find his dirty magazines? 1051 00:41:32,657 --> 00:41:35,451 - So you know, Mr. Nuzzi, we take an interest 1052 00:41:35,451 --> 00:41:37,161 in Benny Stulwicz's welfare. 1053 00:41:37,161 --> 00:41:38,830 - Lest you're about to tell us that's none of our business. 1054 00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:40,248 - Right. 1055 00:41:40,248 --> 00:41:41,582 Because we maintain it's very much our business. 1056 00:41:41,582 --> 00:41:43,251 - In addition to being Benny's employers, 1057 00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:44,711 we also administer his trust. 1058 00:41:44,711 --> 00:41:46,379 Now, if need be, we can march into court 1059 00:41:46,379 --> 00:41:48,214 and get control of all of Benny's assets 1060 00:41:48,214 --> 00:41:51,175 as well as a protective order against you personally. 1061 00:41:51,175 --> 00:41:53,511 - And while we'd rather not do that, the next time we 1062 00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:55,388 find out you're taking money from him, 1063 00:41:55,388 --> 00:41:58,141 that's exactly what we'll do. 1064 00:41:58,141 --> 00:41:59,851 - Are you done? 1065 00:41:59,851 --> 00:42:01,102 - Yeah. - Good. 1066 00:42:01,102 --> 00:42:02,603 Let me set you straight about something. 1067 00:42:02,603 --> 00:42:04,022 I'm not afraid of you. All right? 1068 00:42:04,022 --> 00:42:05,398 That's for openers. 1069 00:42:05,398 --> 00:42:06,983 Ben Stelwards and I have our own arrangement. 1070 00:42:06,983 --> 00:42:09,485 That arrangement doesn't have anything to do with you. 1071 00:42:09,485 --> 00:42:11,195 - You are taking advantage of someone 1072 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:12,947 who is mentally retarded. 1073 00:42:12,947 --> 00:42:15,032 - So far as I'm concerned, I'm not taking advantage of anyone. 1074 00:42:15,032 --> 00:42:16,325 So happens Ben's an adult. 1075 00:42:16,325 --> 00:42:18,036 - A retarded adult. 1076 00:42:18,036 --> 00:42:19,579 - An adult. A grown man who doesn't have to answer to you 1077 00:42:19,579 --> 00:42:21,456 or anyone else about how he spends his money. 1078 00:42:21,456 --> 00:42:24,125 - You're the one who's got to answer for it, Dominic. 1079 00:42:24,125 --> 00:42:25,835 - Either of you ever take Ben to Vegas? 1080 00:42:25,835 --> 00:42:27,086 - That's not really the point. 1081 00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:28,588 - I think it is the point. 1082 00:42:28,588 --> 00:42:30,256 The fact that we're 45 minutes from the greatest 1083 00:42:30,256 --> 00:42:32,175 spectacle of the Western world, and before I took him he'd 1084 00:42:32,175 --> 00:42:33,634 never been? That's exactly the point. 1085 00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:35,553 - Believe it or not, Benny has never expressed 1086 00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:36,763 any interest in Las Vegas. 1087 00:42:36,763 --> 00:42:38,514 - Well, that's sadder still. 1088 00:42:38,514 --> 00:42:41,058 Because I'll tell you what, he's real interested in going back. 1089 00:42:41,058 --> 00:42:41,893 He saw lights. 1090 00:42:41,893 --> 00:42:42,852 He saw action. 1091 00:42:42,852 --> 00:42:43,895 He saw Siegfried and Roy. 1092 00:42:43,895 --> 00:42:45,480 OK? 1093 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,482 He saw white tigers appear and disappear on command. 1094 00:42:47,482 --> 00:42:48,983 Not much compares with that. 1095 00:42:48,983 --> 00:42:50,777 - And we're supposed to ignore the fact that it's 1096 00:42:50,777 --> 00:42:52,445 Benny who pays for everything? 1097 00:42:52,445 --> 00:42:53,946 - Hey, right now, he's the one who's 1098 00:42:53,946 --> 00:42:55,490 got, so he's the one that pays. 1099 00:42:55,490 --> 00:42:58,326 When I'm the one that's got, I'm the one that pays. 1100 00:42:58,326 --> 00:43:00,369 With me, Benny is Ben. 1101 00:43:00,369 --> 00:43:02,205 He's not a retarded messenger boy. 1102 00:43:02,205 --> 00:43:03,247 He's a man. 1103 00:43:03,247 --> 00:43:04,665 We do the things that men do. 1104 00:43:04,665 --> 00:43:05,833 We go to the track. 1105 00:43:05,833 --> 00:43:07,710 We go to Vegas because we're men. 1106 00:43:07,710 --> 00:43:09,670 We don't need your permission, your approval. 1107 00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:13,257 You want to take me to court, be my guest. 1108 00:43:13,257 --> 00:43:14,175 - Dominic. 1109 00:43:14,175 --> 00:43:14,967 - Hey, Ben. 1110 00:43:14,967 --> 00:43:16,969 How are you doing? 1111 00:43:16,969 --> 00:43:18,179 - What's going on? 1112 00:43:18,179 --> 00:43:19,806 - We're just having a little chat. 1113 00:43:19,806 --> 00:43:21,849 - Are you guys are going to be friends? 1114 00:43:21,849 --> 00:43:23,518 - Absolutely. 1115 00:43:23,518 --> 00:43:25,269 - Maybe they could go with us to the racetrack sometime. 1116 00:43:25,269 --> 00:43:26,771 - Yeah, I don't see why not. Hey. 1117 00:43:26,771 --> 00:43:28,022 Listen, Ben. Walk me out, will ya? 1118 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:28,898 I got to get going. 1119 00:43:28,898 --> 00:43:29,732 - Yeah. 1120 00:43:32,318 --> 00:43:34,695 - So we have a good time in Vegas or what? 1121 00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:36,072 - We had a great time. 1122 00:43:36,072 --> 00:43:37,406 - Hey. 1123 00:43:37,406 --> 00:43:39,325 Next time we go, we go see Ann-Margret. 1124 00:43:39,325 --> 00:43:41,077 - Really? - Oh, hey. 1125 00:43:41,077 --> 00:43:43,037 She's only the most beautiful woman on the face of the Earth. 1126 00:43:43,037 --> 00:43:45,248 What, she should be there and we wouldn't go see her? 1127 00:43:45,248 --> 00:43:46,707 - So we will go. 1128 00:43:46,707 --> 00:43:47,792 - That's what I'm saying. 1129 00:43:53,005 --> 00:43:54,757 - I'll connect you. 1130 00:43:54,757 --> 00:43:56,759 One moment. 1131 00:43:56,759 --> 00:43:59,846 - Are you going to bet on any horses today, Dominic? 1132 00:43:59,846 --> 00:44:01,222 - I don't know yet. 1133 00:44:01,222 --> 00:44:03,766 - I went to the bank and I got money. 1134 00:44:03,766 --> 00:44:04,934 Here. 1135 00:44:04,934 --> 00:44:05,977 - Give me that. 1136 00:44:05,977 --> 00:44:07,770 Come here. 1137 00:44:07,770 --> 00:44:09,230 How many times have I told you not 1138 00:44:09,230 --> 00:44:11,065 to keep your money in a wallet? 1139 00:44:11,065 --> 00:44:12,358 - I forgot. 1140 00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:14,235 - Farmers keep their money in wallets. 1141 00:44:14,235 --> 00:44:17,196 Anyone that's hip keeps their money in their pants pocket. 1142 00:44:17,196 --> 00:44:18,531 Look at this mess. 1143 00:44:18,531 --> 00:44:19,323 Look at this. 1144 00:44:19,323 --> 00:44:20,700 All right. 1145 00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:21,868 I'm going to tell you this one more time. 1146 00:44:21,868 --> 00:44:24,620 Bills, right side up. 1147 00:44:24,620 --> 00:44:26,998 OK, larger denominations on the bottom, 1148 00:44:26,998 --> 00:44:28,708 smaller denominations on the top. 1149 00:44:28,708 --> 00:44:30,334 Folded in the middle. 1150 00:44:30,334 --> 00:44:33,379 And when you pay out, you always peel them off towards you. 1151 00:44:33,379 --> 00:44:34,964 Not towards the other guy. 1152 00:44:34,964 --> 00:44:36,674 Towards you. 1153 00:44:36,674 --> 00:44:37,967 - OK. 1154 00:44:37,967 --> 00:44:39,010 - Trying to teach you something here. 1155 00:44:39,010 --> 00:44:42,096 - I know. 1156 00:44:42,096 --> 00:44:43,764 Here. 1157 00:44:43,764 --> 00:44:45,600 - Don't you want any money to bet with? 1158 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:46,767 - No. 1159 00:44:46,767 --> 00:44:47,602 - You sure? 1160 00:44:47,602 --> 00:44:48,436 - Yeah. 1161 00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:52,690 - I'll see you at Du-par's tonight. 1162 00:44:55,985 --> 00:44:57,028 - Hey. 1163 00:44:57,028 --> 00:44:58,613 I got to eat supper, right? 1164 00:44:58,613 --> 00:45:01,991 [music playing]